Q:   Why did you give up the criminal life? What was the turning point for you?
A:   Matt: For me, it was the embarrassment of being caught. The last time I got caught I was in my 20s, and the whole world fell in around me. You know, you're out of your teenage years — you're not cute anymore — and you don't want people to know. But everyone at my job found out; I missed work because I was in jail. The disappointment of everyone around me made me never want to do that again.

You're not just hurting yourself and your victim, but everyone who cares about you. They never look at you the same way again.

Jon: For me, there was no one big turning point — more like a series of them. But the two big ones were:

When I was in college, I was taking juvenile delinquency classes to try to better understand why I was doing this. I realized I just wanted more in life, to go beyond the boundaries I grew up with, to feel that rush of excitement. So I joined the military and started traveling. The military was the first turning point.

Later, the biggest turning point was the birth of my daughter. After she was born and our relationship grew, it made me more mature, and I cared more about what happened to me.

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Q:   What made you pursue a life of crime?
A:   Matt: Sheer boredom. Teenage angst and boredom.

Jon: It was about adventure-seeking and boredom. I just needed to do more than allowed.

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